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PHILIP
PULLMAN IN HIS OWN WORDS…
In this exclusive interview Philip Pulman talks
about many things including how he came up with the
story for His Dark Materials trilogy and which writers
have inspired him. Read on to find out more...
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1. Did
you have the whole story in your head when you began
writing His Dark Materials?
Yes, in outline, though not in detail. I haven’t
got enough RAM in my head to deal with 1300 pages of
yet-unwritten material. But any writer of stories has
to have a certain architectural sense – I mean
a feeling for large shapes, and an instinct for whether
they’ll stand up safely, or need lots of propping
up to make them steady, or whether they’ll just
fall down whatever you do, and so on. And of course
when you begin a large project like His Dark Materials,
you make sure beforehand that the large shape is secure.
It’s the details you can take chances with,
and afford to be surprised by. I don’t like planning
things too tightly, because then you’re not surprised
by anything. I was very surprised by the armoured bear,
Iorek Byrnison, for example; I hadn’t expected
him to be a bit like that. And the Gallivespians in
The Amber Spyglass surprised me enormously. |
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2. How did the story
develop?
It came together to begin with as all my stories do,
as a series of unconnected pictures. As I thought about
them I began to see the connections between them. What
did connect them was the sense that they were all about
something large and important that affects every single
human being: the business of growing up, of innocence
and experience, of cruelty and love. Putting it like
that, it sounds vague and abstract. But the pictures
I could see in my mind, and the story that connected
them, was full of vivid detail: Lyra hiding in the wardrobe,
and overhearing something she wasn’t meant to;
two bears fighting to the death; a window to another
world appearing in mid-air – and so on. |
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3. Did you write
His Dark Materials as "fantasy"?
No. I think of it as stark realism. The trouble with
pigeon-holing books by genre is that once they have
a particular label attached, they only attract readers
who like the sort of book that has that sort of label.
Fantasy is particularly affected by this. I very much
want to reach readers who don’t normally read
fantasy – I want to reach readers who know very
well that they don’t like fantasy at all. I don’t
like fantasy. The only thing about fantasy that interested
me when I was writing this was the freedom to invent
imagery such as the dæmon; but that was only interesting
because I could use it to say something truthful and
realistic about human nature. If it was just picturesque
or ornamental, I wouldn’t be interested. |
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4. Did you write
His Dark Materials for children?
I don’t know about this business of writing ‘for’
this audience or that one. It’s too like labelling
the book as fantasy – it shuts out more readers
than it includes. If I think of my audience at all,
I think of a group that includes adults, children, male,
female, old, middle-aged, young – everyone who
can read. If horses, dogs, cats, or pigeons could read,
they’d be welcome to it as well. I don’t
want to shut anyone out. |
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5. Why do you believe
stories are so important?
Because they entertain and they teach; they help us
both enjoy life and endure it. After nourishment, shelter
and companionship, stories are the thing we need most
in the world. |
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6. What stance do
the books take?
Underlying the trilogy there is a myth of creation
and rebellion, of development and strife, and so on.
I don’t make this myth explicit anywhere, but
it was important for me to have it clear in my mind.
It depicts a struggle: the old forces of control and
ritual and authority, the forces which have been embodied
throughout human history in such phenomena as the Inquisition,
the witch-trials, the burning of heretics, and which
are still strong today in the regions of the world where
religious zealots of any faith have power, are on one
side; and the forces that fight against them have as
their guiding principle an idea which is summed up in
the words The Republic of Heaven. It’s the Kingdom
against the Republic.
And everything follows from that. So, for instance,
the book depicts the Temptation and Fall not as the
source of all woe and misery, as in traditional Christian
teaching, but as the beginning of true human freedom
– something to be celebrated, not lamented. And
the Tempter is not an evil being like Satan, prompted
by malice and envy, but a figure who might stand for
Wisdom.
The myth has allowed me to link together many aspects
of the story in a sort of invisible way which might
not be apparent to the reader, but which I have found
helpful. For example, it explains where dæmons
come from, and what happens when we die, and why there
are many universes.
And if certain Christian critics are confused by this,
and imagine I’m denying the difference between
good and evil, then all I can say is that I shall pray
for them. |
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7. Where and when
do you write?
I write in my shed, at the bottom of the garden. It’s
quite comfortable in there, but because of my superstition
about not tidying it during the course of a book, it’s
now an abominable tip. I write by hand, using a ballpoint
pen on narrow lined A4 paper (with two holes, not four).
I sit at a table covered with an old kilim rug, on a
vastly expensive Danish orthopaedic chair, which has
made a lot of difference to my back. The table is raised
on wooden blocks so it’s a bit higher than normal.
I write three pages every day (one side of the paper
only). That’s about 1100 words. Then I stop, having
made sure to write the first sentence on the next page,
so I never have a blank page facing me in the morning.
After lunch I always watch Neighbours. Soap operas
are interesting because there’s no limit to the
length a story can have – it can go on for months,
if it’s got some life in it. I like watching the
script editors losing interest in one story-line and
promoting another instead, and it’s fascinating
to watch some characters gaining story-potency as others
lose it, and to try and work out why it’s happening.
Neighbours is better than EastEnders or Coronation Street
for this, because there’s no distracting social
comment. It’s all pure story: one thing following
another. |
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8. How long does
it take to write a book?
Northern Lights took two years, and so did The Subtle
Knife. The Amber Spyglass has taken three. But they
were all long books. Short books take less time, not
surprisingly. |
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9. How do you come
up with the characters’ names?
Some just appear. As soon as Lyra came to my mind,
I knew what she was called. Others I have to make up.
Lee Scoresby, for instance: the Lee part comes from
the actor Lee Van Cleef, who appeared in the "Dollar"
films with Clint Eastwood, because I thought my Lee
would look like him, and the Scoresby comes from William
Scoresby, who was a real Arctic explorer. |
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10. Are the characters
based on people you know?
Not consciously. I just think of them. |
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11. How did you
come up with the idea of daemons?
When I first saw Lyra in my mind’s eye, there
was someone or something close by, which I realised
was an important part of her. When I wrote the first
four words of Northern Lights – ‘Lyra and
her dæmon’ – the relationship suddenly
sprang into focus. One very important thing is that
children’s dæmons can change shape, whereas
they gradually lose the power to change during adolescence,
and adults’ daemons have one fixed animal shape
which they keep for the rest of their lives. The daemon,
and especially the way it grows and develops with its
person, expresses a truth about human nature which it
would have been hard to show so vividly otherwise. |
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12. What would you
choose as your own daemon?
You can’t choose – that’s the point.
You have to make the best of whatever your nature is.
As an old sailor says to Lyra in Northern Lights, "There’s
plenty of folk as’d like to have a lion as a daemon
and they end up with a poodle." If you do want
to know what your daemon is likely to be, the best way
to find out is to ask your friends to tell you –
anonymously. |
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13. Have you seen
the northern lights?
No. They were one of the many things I had to read
about and imagine. |
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14. Which children’s
writers do you admire?
Lots. Peter Dickinson, Jan Mark, Anne Fine, Jacqueline
Wilson, Janni Howker, Michael Morpurgo, Allan Ahlberg
– too many to name, really. |
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15. What was your
favourite book as a child?
Norman Lindsay’s The Magic Pudding |
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16. Which books
have made a difference to your life?
The books which have made the most difference to my
life have been Grimm’s Fairy Tales, Homer’s
Iliad and Odyssey, the Sherlock Holmes stories of Arthur
Conan Doyle, the Superman and Batman comics which were
published when I was young – i.e. before they
became ‘dark’ and self-consciously post-modernist,
The Picture History of Painting by H.W. and D.J. Janson
which I bought with a book token when I was fifteen,
and Bernard Shaw’s Collected Letters. |
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